Thursday, April 17, 2014

Harry Potter: Satanic? (Also, Lots of GIFS)

A few years ago, I saw in a newsletter that there was going to be a talk on why Harry Potter is considered Satanic, while Tolkien's works are not. I didn't go to the talk, but I wish I had.

Yesterday, this happened to me:

I read Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. It was way easier to convince my mom to let me than I had thought it would, considering she had never let me before. I simply said that I was old enough to know that magic isn't real. Ta-da!
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Isn't that all that needs to be said? (Clearly not, considering I'm writing a blog post about it.) Why does Harry Potter get such a bad rap? There are tons of books that deal with magic. What is it about Harry Potter that upsets people?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking you. xD
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But seriously. If you know why, please inform me in the comments. I'm so confused.

I'm sure some people shouldn't read Harry Potter for various reasons. I know the next books get really dark and nearly everyone dies. But there's always going to be people who shouldn't read something. Why is it that Harry Potter gets slammed for it? Yes, it deals with magic, but so does nearly every book in my library's children section.
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24 comments:

  1. I've never read the Harry Potter books, but yes, they are slammed a lot. Either you love them or you hate them, you can't really be in the middle (or so people say).
    I will write back in a little while with why I think Harry potter is different then Tolkien's works. Again, I haven't read the HP books, I'm just basing my argument on what I've heard about them. Please tell me if I get anything wrong.

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    1. Okay :) I can't wait to see what you have to say!

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  2. I haven't read them either, but I think I have a vague idea of why that is. Gandalf was extremely wise and really knew what he was getting into with the magic. He recognizes that much magic is evil and does not deal with it. He hesitates to bring certain objects into Rivendell, and will not let the hobbits use the ring of power, or the ball/eye of Sauron/thingy. Allowing children to handle magic, no matter how gifted they may be, is an extremely bad idea, as is using magic to alter God's plans and not consulting Him in the best course of action. I don't know how they handle magic in Harry Potter, but I've heard that they use it for fun, and for superficial purposes, some contrary to natural law. They make it seem like magic is no big deal, or that it's a plaything. It is most certainly not. It must be held with either great reverence, or great scorn, depending upon whether it's source is divine or satanic. That's my opinion, correct me if I am wrong.

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    1. Another thing is that Tolkien's logic was very unpredictable, and had fairly little to do with the wizard's own will. The wizard using magic was a pawn for good or evil. The Harry Potter books make it look like you have control over magic, when no human has any.

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    2. Whoa! Not logic... MAGIC!!!! ARGH!!!!!!!

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    3. Sorry for so many comments. I promise I will shut up (some day). One thing I do know for sure is that magic is a very real, powerful, and incredibly intriguing force, possibly because it seems so fictitious. Saints have levitated, sorcerers have put curses on others and ruined lives. It's real stuff, and it does miraculous and grotesque things.

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    4. Hey, your comments make my day :) Magic is definitely something to be super cautious with. Have you ever read Doctor Faustus? We read it for school a while back, and it probably had some good points to say about magic which I don't remember at all. In the second HP book, one character fiddles with magic "just for fun" and nearly loses his job (I still don't know yet). In the first one, someone nearly kills three children and helps the enemy, simply because he'd get a dragon egg out of the deal. Not exactly what I'd call wise.

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    5. I have read that! It really is an excellent book. Just out of curiosity, what is the stance the Harry Potter series has on magic and the way it should be used? It seems to me like their idea of "just for fun" is a very loose one. Don't they stop objects from falling and stuff like that?

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    6. Also, I don't mean to pry, but could you explain this? "It was way easier to convince my mom to let me than I had thought it would, considering she had never let me before. I simply said that I was old enough to know that magic isn't real. Ta-da!"

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    7. Yeah, I don't always write coherently. :P What I meant was I said I was old enough to know magic isn't real, and then she said yes. I probably could have asked her a while ago for the same answer.

      In HP, magic is often used for convenience (washing dishing, cooking food). Harry and his buddy Ron, however, just turned into other people so they could try to figure out one of Hogwart's secrets. I think they learned that from their transubstantiation class. Magic in HP is most often used for good (unless you're a bad guy who has magic), but it gets out of hand sometimes.

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    8. Wait, I meant transfiguration, not transubstantiation! But they're similar, right?

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    9. Alright, thank you. I don't really think that's a safe thing to do, but wutevs. I just wanted make sure you understood that magic really does exist in the real world. That's partly why it's rather dangerous to read about it. There isn't any danger in reading about dragons of trolls, but magic is something entirely different, and I'm glad you understand that. You are correct, they both mean to change something, but other than that you are completely mistaken. X) Transfiguration is when you merely change the way something looks, but Transubstantiation is changing the substance of an object, possibly not changing the way it looks (the Eucharist).

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    10. Okay, got it. I knew the two were connected somehow xD

      Don't worry, I'm not about to start doing magic myself. When I said I knew it wasn't real, I meant I knew that HP was fictional. Sheesh, I can't write anything my brain wants to say :P The way magic works is utterly uncomprehendable to mortals and should never be used.

      A little while ago I was considering adding bits of magic in To Cilyon's End, but I've been rethinking that. If I do, it won't be "good" magic. What are your thoughts on that?

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    11. Haha, I know your pain. :) Interestingly enough, I thought of doing that in one of my novels. It's a really interesting topic to dive into. I don't think that all magic is evil, such as saints who are able bilocate, levitate and see visions. I'm not entirely sure those count as magic, but they seem really similar to me. I don't know much about the circumstances of those miracles, but the saints who performed probably didn't do it of their own volition. My magic was going to involve God directly intervening to do things miraculous, but it involved demonic magic too and explore the differences, such as the fact that demons use magic to bring glory to themselves instead of to Lucifer. That's why demonic magic is so flashy and intriguing, Angels, on the other hand, would use magic to bring glory to God, and are thus usually more subtle. You will probably be fine. I trust you. :)

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    12. :) I think I'll try it in one of the rewrites.

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  3. I thought you did say magic xD Anyway, good points! In Harry Potter, they usually have a "good" reason to do magic (such as flying a car to school because they missed the train), but it often doesn't end well (nearly dying probably wasn't worth it). I'll probably think of more to say as soon as I post this comment, so check back again shortly ;)

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  4. I've never read the books, but I've heard enough about them through friends and family to know about them. Father Don Calloway has read the Harry Potter books and compared them to the Lord of the Rings books (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQGnB0xm_g). It's a difference in how the magic is used, as opposed to the magic itself. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, number 2138 states that "Superstition is... manifested in idolatry, as well as in various forms of divination and magic." Also, in number 2117, " All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others—even if this were for the sake of restoring their health—are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons." It's all in the use.
    Now, we don't have unicorn horns and various tchotchkes to use when working magic forces, but the incantations are real. Several reports state that odd things have happened when kids, believing the incantations to be fake and magic to be unreal, have had odd occurrences happen.
    Patrick Madrid, in his tapes addressing Harry Potter (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/695870.There_s_Something_About_Harry), gets a lot more into detail than I am here, and are worth listening to if you can obtain them. Another good book is An Exorcist Tells His Story, bu Fr. Gabriel Amorth, that doesn't directly address Harry Potter, but magic in general. I hope that these links and quotes help. God Bless!
    ><> Katy <><
    P.S. Thanks so much for following my blog! That made my whole day!

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    1. Thanks for the links! I'll definitely look into them.
      The only "magic" I tried when I was little was to use the force from Star Wars. I wanted to bring my clothes from the floor onto my bed. Now, I'm super glad it didn't work. I'd rather have to get up and get my clothes than actually dabble with magic. It's more powerful than can be imagined.

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    2. He, yeah. Once, when I was younger, I had one of those little magic kits, and it included a little plastic egg and dish - I can't remember what it's called right now. I said some "magic words over them, opened the dish, and the egg was gone! I was really scared, and slept with the lights on for weeks. :)

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  5. I think the reason why people are against it is not because the incantations are Satanic and real (they aren't--I've said *Aguamenti* jokingly several times and nothing happened), but because it supposedly promotes tolerance of witchcraft. Me? I don't approve of witchcraft, but I love the Harry Potter series. So I think as long as you read with a critical mind, it's OK. And besides--J.K. Rowling's writing is amazing!

    ~Rcubed~
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    1. Ohhhh. Good point! Thanks for helping to enlighten me. :)
      Yes, if you look beyond the magic, it's an amazing series. J. K. Rowling is a genius.

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  6. Okay, this is old, and I don't mean to fan any flames, but I just got back from a conference where an exorcist gave a few words on Harry Potter.
    1. J.K. Rowling herself said in an interview that the words poured into her and she wrote on autopilot for the entire series. Now, you're a writer, so you know that that never happens. Hence, it has to come from some supernatural source. The two supernatural sides are from God and from Satan. Now, I know that the Harry Potter books are unquestionably dark. Our God is a God of light. Therefore, the source of Rowling's inspiration would be demons. Need further proof? In an excommunication later on (one that had nothing to do with Rowling or Harry Potter), the demons in the person's body identified themselves as "the five buddies" and said that they were the ones who inspired Rowling.
    2. Witches have said themselves that the spells in Harry Potter come directly from their prayer books. Wow. That everyone something to think about.
    3. When demons are possessing a person, one of the first things this certain exorcist tells the person is not to read the Harry Potter books. That brings forth wails and laments from the evil spirits.
    Now, I know that this is all supernatural and the things not of this earth can be very difficult to comprehend, but these points just stuck out to me. There was more, but I don't remember much of it. I can't tell you what to do, but as for me and my family, we intend to stay far away from this series!
    JMJ
    Katy

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    1. Whoa. :-O It just seems strange to me that such a beautiful series with great themes could have been inspired by demons.

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